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07 December 2004 @ 04:10 am
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This took me all day to write. And so, by popular demand...

1/ Why go shampoo free?
  2/ What's so bad about shampoo anyway?
  3/ How do I go shampoo free?
  4/ What do these ingredients do?
 
  5 / Help! This isn't working!
      5a/ My hair is too long!
      5b/ My hair has gone frizzy!
      5c/ My hair has feels greasy!
      5d/ My hair feels dry!
      5e/ I have white buildup!
      5f/ My head is itchy!
      5g/ I have dandruff!
      5h/ I have limp or weak hair!
      5i/ I have hard water!
  6 / What kind of herbs can I use to improve my hair's health?
  7 / Can I use hairspray/colour my hair?

 

Why go Shampoo Free?
  Going shampoo free is easier on your hair's health, your wallet, and your time. For $5 you can purchase enough baking soda and apple cider vinegar to take care of your hair for months, whereas $5 could barely buy you one bottle of commercial shampoo! When done correctly, your hair won't smell, feel oily or dry, and be healthier and happier then when you were using shampoo. It will be easier to manage and stay clean for much longer (some people don't experience greasiness ever again once they've returned their hair to it's natural state). Anyone with small children who hasn't used baby shampoo will be aware of how, even after days and days of toddler mayhem, even after playing and sweating, their hair does not get greasy. I know I'm always amazed that even after waking up sweaty Tempest's hair can be soft, silky and smell nice.

Your hair is a very important part of your body that's often overlooked. On top of accentuating your style and appearance, your hair can give you clues to your health. Greasy, limp hair can be a sign of bad diet while brittle and dry hair can be a sign of malnutrition and undernourishment. If you're anemic, deficient in calcium or other vitamins, your hair and fingernails will give you some of the first clues. Taking proper care of your hair and returning it to it's natural state may be one of the best things you can do for your appearance, you may find you'll learn a lot more about your hair that you never realized you could know!

 

What's so bad about shampoo anyway?
 
Shampoo is a detergent, just like laundry detergent, dishwashing powder and the stuff you use to clean your bathroom. It cleans out the dirt in your hair, but is very harsh and also takes the natural oils that make your hair shiny, soft and strong. Shampoo wasn't introduced until the early 20th century, before that many people used soap. Soap can wash your hair without removing as much of the natural oils that shampoo does. Unfortunately, it doesn't stand very well in alkaline water. When mineral levels in water began to rise, that made soap a messy, poor item to wash with. It causes 'soap scum' rings around your tub and on your shower doors. Alkali (hard water) makes the scales on your hair stand up, feel rough and get tangled. When washing with water with a higher alkaline content and soap, the "soap scum" gets all tangled up in your hair, is much harder to wash out, and creates a big mess. Shampoo came out on the market just in time, displaying it's only real benefit: it behaves similarly both in hard and soft water. Therefore it was a "Superior" product to an old favorite, soap. But it didn't come without problems. Because shampoo is harsh enough to strip the natural oils from your hair, you need something to replenish them. So, conditioner was born. You need to wash your hair every day not because it gets dirty, but because the oils from the conditioner don't last and need to be replenished.

The oils in your hair come naturally out of your scalp to nourish it. Stripping them away causes damage, and breakage over time. In a way you do need conditioner, if you use shampoo - because it covers up the damage that's been done. But you don't need shampoo in the first place, all you're spending your money on is a big bottle of perfumed detergent.

Most shampoos contain mineral oil. A byproduct of the distillation of gasoline from crude oil, mineral oil is what's left over. It's so abundant that it costs more to dispose of it then it does to package and sell it, so it ends up everywhere. It's added to shampoos and conditioners to give hair an artificial shine caused by coating it with a thick oil. Mineral oil cannot absorb into your skin like other oils do, so it sits on top and forms a barrier preventing oils and toxins from being released as a normal part of your skin's lifecycle. This is one of the reasons you'll find that the more shampoo you use, the more often you need to use it. In the long run, coating your hair with mineral oil makes it weaker, and more prone to damage.

If mineral oil doesn't bother you, maybe the other ingredients will. SLS and SLFS (sodium lauryl sulfate, sodium laureth sulfate) are skin and eye irritants that also acts as a foaming agent in soaps, shampoos, toothpastes, dishwashing liquid... and just about anything that produces a foamy lather. The Materials Safety Data Sheet cautions to avoid body contact with SLS, it also puts infants and children (whose eye are developing at a more rapid rate) at risk for improper eye development when it's absorbed through the skin and accumulates in eye tissues. Because of residual levels in internal organs, it's questioned how safe our current rates of exposure are. "Debunkers", and companies who sell products containing these ingredients claim that the short exposure (shampoo and rinse) isn't enough for it to build up, and that by itself, in the dilution present within the product, the ingredient won't cause damage. This is basically true, however neither take into account recent reports (within the last five years), exposure due to the amount of products which contain SLS/SLFS and how often we use them, and the known chemical reaction with other ingredients commonly found in these products. While not carcinogens, both these substances, when mixed with other ingredients commonly found in shampoo bottles, may cause carcinogenic nitrates to form. Using it in moderation, and even in high amounts probably isn't going to kill you - but it's certainly not improving your health. The suggested safe percentage of SLS or SLFS to be used in products like shampoo and toothpaste isn't adhered to as often as it should be.

In its final report on the safety of sodium lauryl sulfate, the Journal of the American College of Toxicology notes that this ingredient has a "degenerative effect on the cell membranes because of its protein denaturing properties." What's more, the journal adds, "high levels of skin penetration may occur at even low use concentration." 

Interestingly, sodium lauryl sulfate "is used around the world in clinical studies as a skin irritant," notes the journal. The publication expressed additional concerns:

     
  • Carcinogenic nitrosamines can form in the manufacturing of sodium lauryl sulfate or by its inter-reaction with other nitrogen-bearing ingredients within a formulation utilizing this ingredient.
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  • Other studies have indicated that sodium lauryl sulfate enters and maintains residual levels in the heart, liver, lungs and brain from skin contact. This poses the question whether it could be a serious potential health threat from its use in shampoos, cleansers, and toothpastes.
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  • Still other research has indicated sodium lauryl sulfate may be damaging to the immune system, especially within the skin. Skin layers may separate and inflame due to its protein denaturing properties.
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  • Although sodium lauryl sulfate is not carcinogenic in experimental studies, it has been shown that it causes severe epidermal changes in the area it is applied, indicating a need for tumor-enhancing assays.
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  • Additional studies have found that sodium lauryl sulfate is heavily deposited on the skin surface and in the hair follicles. Damage to the hair follicle could result from such deposition.

Links: Material Safety Data Sheet [mineral oil]
          SLS and SLES
          Sodium Laureth Sulfate, 'Chemical Cocktail'
          Snopes.com piece on rumors that SLS causes cancer.

 

How do I go shampoo free?
  Use one tablespoon of baking soda per one cup of warm or hot water. You can double or triple the recipe if you have very, very long or thick hair. But do not use more baking soda, your hair will become hard, dry or feel brittle if you use too much. You can put this mix in a recycled shampoo bottle, and apply to your hair with warm water.
  The mix should not feel gritty, and should be a liquid. If you have very short or thick hair, you may find it easier to make a paste with a tablespoon of baking soda (or less) and sprinkle it over very wet hair and massage in. Otherwise, spray or pour the mixture onto your hair and work it in. Let it sit about a minute, and then rinse. I personally find it easiest to make a liquidy paste in the palm of my hand with about half a tablespoon, and then sprinkle and massage into dripping wet hair. I have very short hair, so I use less. Experiment and see what works best for you, there are no official rules.

For a typical rinse, make up a solution of one to two tablespoons of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) per cup of water. Apply to wet hair, massage into scalp and rinse off with cold water. Please note, you don't always have to apply a rinse with every wash! I personally find I only need to do a rinse every 2-3 washes.

 

What do these ingredients do?
 
Apple cider vinegar is a mild acidic made from fermenting apples, the acid content is usually only around 3-5% in store-bought ACV. It has a lot of health benefits when taken internally, too! When used on your scalp, it helps promote circulation, acts as a natural antiseptic, and dissolves excessive fatty deposits and reduces scaling or peeling of the skin. As for use on hair, it helps to clarify, detangle, balances hair's pH level and seals the cuticles. Some people are bothered by the smell, but be assured that the smell should dissipate within a moment or two of rinsing. If it doesn't, you're using too much in your solution!

Baking soda is the weakest alkali of sodium compounds, it would take using a lot to do damage to your skin or hair. It has a lot of useful properties like deodorizing, leavening (for baking), whitening, polishing and clarifying. You only need a little bit, regardless of what you're using it for. Just like with vinegar, a little goes a long way. Plain water can remove almost all the dirt you can get in your hair, but a little baking soda can not only remove the rest, but take care of the build-up from hair products, shampoos and anything else you might pick up. Some people find that over time, using baking soda in their hair will lighten the colour - although most agree that if this happens you're using it too much, and perhaps not using enough ACV. Once or twice a week is fine, even less if your hair is in very good condition or easy to manage.

Use warm water to wash or clarify, this opens up your hair cuticles and helps your conditioner or rinse penetrate the hair. Use cool water on low pressure to rinse to close the cuticle, cut down on frizzes, soften hair and enhance curls.

 

Help! This isn't working!

Long Hair:
  Comb your hair from scalp to tips before you go into the shower to loosen dirt and detangle. You may need to use a bit more baking soda in your mix (one tablespoon per 250mls/1 cup of water. If you need more, use two tablespoons and two cups, or three tablespoons and three cups. Don't overuse your baking soda, or you will end up with dry hair! Less is more.)

Frizzy Hair:
  You're probably using too much baking soda, or leaving it in your hair too long. Try adding honey, or rubbing a little bit of moisturizing oil onto your hair (coconut, jojoba, sweet almond, extra virgin olive oil...).

Greasy Hair:
  Some people experience an adjustment, or "de-tox" period of greasiness as they transition to no-poo. Do not over-wash, it will pass soon! If you've been using your routine faithfully and experience greasy hair, try using less ACV in your rinse, cut out honey if you've been using it, try switching to a citrus rinse, or use a comb instead of a brush to style your hair.

If you have greasy hair and need a quick fix on a day when you're not washing your hair, try applying a tiny bit of cornstarch to your scalp and combing through to the ends. Remember, greasy hair does not mean dirty hair, it probably doesn't need to be washed!

Dry hair:
  If your hair is very dry, you may have used too much baking soda and should lesson the amount. You may also need to use more ACV in your rinse. Also, try smoothing a tiny bit of oil into your hair either after you shower, or in the morning. A tiny bit is all you need. Coconut oil works well, and smells great!
  If you find your hair is chronically dry, and you like the idea of a hot oil treatment every so often, you can follow one of these recipes, the latter is best for dry hair and the former is a hot oil treatment for occasional use :

-- 1 teaspoon soybean oil
  -- 2 teaspoons castor oil
  Combine ingredients then warm on low heat. Massage mixture into the scalp and hair. Wrap hair in a hot towel for 15 minutes. Shampoo & rinse out.

 

-- 1/2 cup of dried rosemary leaves
  -- 1/2 cup olive oil
  Combine ingredients then heat up until warm. Strain. Coat the entire scalp and ends of hair with the oil mixture. Wrap hair in saran wrap and a towel over that, leave on for 15 minutes. Wash hair twice to remove the oil. Use this treatment twice a month or when your needs a deep conditioning. Leaves your hair shiny and rehydrated.

If you want, or need the occasional deep condition, especially if you have very long hair with breakage at the ends, you can try a mix with one small jar of real mayonnaise and 1/2 of an avocado. Mash them together in a bowl with your hands until it's a minty green colour, then smooth onto your hair. Put on a shower cap, or wrap your hair in saran wrap and leave on for 20 minutes before thoroughly rinsing clean. If you're using this only for the tips of your hair, or for very short hair, half the ingredients.

If you swim regularly in pools, or have very chlorinated water you may find your hair dries easily. To help prevent chlorine damage after you've gone swimming, try mixing one egg, one eggshell's worth of olive oil with one quarter of a peeled cucumber. Blend together, spread evenly onto hair, leave in ten minutes and then rinse well. See also [I have hard water!]

If you regularly blow-dry, stop! Scrunch with a towel and then let your hair air-dry. Curling, straightening or kinking your hair using hot irons can also attribute to drying and breakage. You can also try using a boar-bristle brush to brush your hair with, this will distribute your hair's natural oils evenly. Though be warned that you don't need to use it all the time, and using it too much might actually make your hair feel more oily then usual!

White Build-up:
  You're probably using too much baking soda! Remember, you only need one tablespoon per cup (250mls) of water, for long hair, you only need a maximum of 2-3 tablespoons. It doesn't seem like much, but it goes a long way. For easier distribution, keep a little cup with some baking soda in the shower and take a pinch and apply to wet hair, then rub in.

Itchy hair/scalp:
  Try infusing your rinse with tea tree, rosemary or lavender essential oils (only a few drops at the most!) Try changing your rinse routine. Add a bit of honey, try a rosemary tea rinse... experiment! For itchy scalp caused by build-up or dryness, try adding a few pinches of brown sugar (not white, as it will dissolve) to your wash and rubbing it through. Be sure to rinse thoroughly. If you use any oils on your scalp (like jojoba, or coconut), stop and see if that makes a difference. See also [I have hard water!]

Dandruff:
  Skin cells flake and slough off the body all the time, normally skin go through the cycle of dying and being replaced once a month. If this process is sped up and the skin cells aren't removed, you get dandruff. Although the real causes of dandruff are still unknown, most theories involve the sebaceous glands being plugged, or overproducing.

To help control dandruff you can use a mild acidic solution on your scalp, before shampooing, about twice a week.

-- 1/2 cup Water
  -- 1/2 cup of White Vinegar

  Combine ingredients then apply directly to the scalp. Use before shampooing. Apply twice a week.

If you're using any oils on your scalp (coconut, jojoba, etc - not essential) stop and see if that helps. Also try adding some brown sugar to your baking soda wash and massage it into your scalp to help slough away flakes. Don't use white sugar, it will just dissolve.

Limp or weak hair:
  You are over-conditioning! Cut back on how often you use a conditioning rinse. If you're using hot oil treatments, try going a little longer between them. Think about which moisturizing ingredients you're using in your routines, and cut back where you can.

I have hard water!
  There are several things you can do if you have hard water, which can be very drying and cause damage to hair. If you can afford to install a water softener, which range anywhere from a few hundred to over a thousand dollars, have it done. If you can't, use distilled water or boiled water to wash your hair with. It won't remove all the impurities, but it can make a difference. If you live in the U.S. and aren't sure if you have hard water, you can try looking at this map.

Links: Explanation of Water Hardness

 

What kind of herbs can I use to improve my hair's health?
  Burdock: root helps prevent dandruff
  Catmint: leaves encourage hair growth and soothes scalp irritations
  Chamomile: flowers soften and lighten hair
  Flannel Mullein: lightens hair
  Goosegrass: tonic and cleansing, helps prevent dandruff
  Henna: red hair dye and conditioner
  Horsetail: non-fertile stems and branches strengthens the hair
  Lavender: antiseptic, antibiotic, stimulates hair growth, and degreases
  Lime: flowers clean and softens
  Marigold: lightens hair color
  Nasturtium: for hair growth
  Parsley: enriches hair color and gives a nice luster
  Rosemary: tonic and conditioner, one of the best herbs to use, gives luster and body, also slightly darkens the hair. (This is good to use if you notice your hair lightening due to baking soda use.)
  Rhubarb: the root makes a yellow hair dye
  Sage: tonic and conditioning, darkens the hair
  Southernwood: encourages hair growth and helps prevent dandruff
  Stinging Nettle: tonic and conditioning and helps prevent dandruff
  Witch Hazel: leaves and bark are astringent and cleanses oily hair

Most recipes using these herbs call for dried or fresh, you can boil it into a tea and infuse it into your rinse routine (or make it a rinse all by itself). The oils will work as well, but make sure they're pure, and use very little. A few drops can go a long way!

 

What about hairspray and colour?
  You can use hair products in your hair, but it's up to you. Be sure to brush them out and/or give your hair a "Water wash" on a daily basis if you use them regularly. Alternatively, you can make your own!

Hairspray:

1/ Chop 2 lemons, add 2 cups water, and simmer in a pan over low heat until lemons are
  quite soft. Cool, then strain through cheesecloth. Pour into a spray bottle, add 1 Tbsp.
  vodka, and shake. Dilute with water if too sticky.

  The vodka ensures it lasts a long time.

2/ Chop one lemon (or an orange for dry hair). Place in a pot with 2 cups water. Boil until half of the initial amount remains. Cool, strain, and place in a spray bottle. Store in the refrigerator. If it is too sticky, add more water. Add one ounce rubbing alcohol as a preservative and then the spray can be stored for up to two weeks unrefrigerated.

Hair Gel (#1 is not vegan, #2 is):

  1/ 1/2 to 1 teaspoon unflavored gelatin
      1 cup warm water
  Dissolve gelatin in 1 cup warm water. Keep refrigerated and use as you would a purchased gel.
 

2/ One cup water
       2 tablespoons flax seed
       1-2 drops of essential oil of your choice.
  Combine the water and seeds in a small saucepan, bring them to a boil and then remove from heat. Set aside for a half hour. Strain through a colander. When completely cooled, add the oil and mix through. Transfer to a wide-mouthed jar with a tight lid (mason jars work well!), and use as you would any other gel product.

Hair Mousse (Not vegan):

     1/4 cup of plain gelatin
     1 cup warm water
  Dissolve 1/4 teaspoon plain gelatin in 1 cup boiling water. Let sit at room temperature until slightly set. Rub into dry or wet hair, and blow dry.

If you colour your hair, you may notice it dulls when you use a baking soda wash very frequently. However, if you've been using no-poo for a while before you start colouring you'll be at a point where you rarely need to wash your hair - at which time your colour may last longer since you need to wash so infrequently. When I used to colour my hair, I'd initially let it go as long as possible without washing to "set" the colour. Whether or not this actually worked I have no idea, but it made me feel better. I also found that I could go as long as a week before "needing" a shampoo after colouring. I haven't dyed my hair since going no-poo, but I'd imagine I'd have even better results. Alternatively, use a conditioner wash during the time you colour your hair. You can buy "clarifying" conditioner from any pharmacy or grocery store which contains a small amount of mild detergents. If you use a wash-out colour, the baking soda will probably be rid of it quite quickly.
  Using Henna to dye your hair is an even better option to preserve your hair's health. Provided you aren't sensitive to any of the ingredients (like I am).

Going "poo-free" may not initially sound like your cup of tea, but don't be fooled into thinking shampoo is a necessary or healthy part of your body care routine. On top of being excessively harsh, your shampoo may contain ingredients you're not comfortable having on your body or your hair. To really reap the benefits of healthy hair you'll want to return it to it's natural state, and going poo-free is the best way to do it. Try it for a month, and be faithful... see how much you love your new hair . You'll surprise yourself at how soft, vibrant and clean it will feel.

I've been 'poo-free' for a few months now and am enjoying volume, shininess and bounce that I've never experienced before but have spent years trying to attain. I've tried every volumizer on the block. Shampoos, spritzers, hairsprays, mousse and special haircuts to give the 'illusion' of volume... nothing worked. Who knew all I had to do was stop weighing my hair down with shampoos and conditioners? My hair has never been easier to manage, and it feels great.

The only thing to keep in mind when going shampoo-free is to remember that as the seasons change, so does your hair. You may need to change your routine frequency every 3-4 months. (Ie, if you washed twice a week, you may need to change it to once).

To read more about going shampoo free, try the Motowngirl website section on "no-shampoo".
To find more fantastic and natural recipes for hair and body care, try Pioneer Thinking.

If anyone has anything to add, or if I've missed a big question that needs to be in the FAQ, please let me know.

Two helpful communities to join are [info]no_poo and [info]naturalskin.

 
 
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jucifer[info]jucifer on December 7th, 2004 01:34 pm (UTC)
thank u!
(adding to memories :))
Jack's smirking revenge[info]hibernate on December 7th, 2004 04:26 pm (UTC)
This sounds really interesting. Thanks for typing it up!

Stupid question: is baking soda the same thing as sodium bicarbonate? That language barrier again...
Babs[info]babyslime on December 7th, 2004 08:10 pm (UTC)
Yes it is. :)
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[info]_melly on December 7th, 2004 09:21 pm (UTC)
Dont you know I was telling my class about this today and they were making fun of me? Telling me it was a crock and everything. Well I tryed it and it works and my doctor said it's true to. Those people I go to school hope to one day call themselves medical professionals..hmm makes ya wonder.

Thanks, (runs to add to memories!)
Babs[info]babyslime on December 7th, 2004 09:57 pm (UTC)
People are insanely brainwashed by the media, so I wouldn't take it so hard. ;)
What class do you teach??
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nascentbutterfl[info]nascentbutterfl on December 7th, 2004 11:55 pm (UTC)
This is so exciting, I intend to try it as soon as I can. One question though: for the hairsprays and gels, do the rinds of the lemons (or orange) go into the boiling water? or only the fruit part?

I've been reading your journal for about 3 weeks now after seeing the snow pictures on livejournal's latest posts, and am enjoying it very much. I was raised in a similar natural way that you are trying to raise Tempest (although, it is was, of course, different) And I am gathering all this information for some day when I have kids (even though I am still too young for that (19))

Anyhow, I enjoy your pictures and your thoughts, and this is too exciting to not comment on.

Babs: granola[info]babyslime on December 8th, 2004 12:58 am (UTC)
:-D Thank you so much!
I actually haven't made the hairsprays/gels before, but since they don't say to juice it, and you are straining it, I'd imagine that you're putting the rind in... Thankfully, lemons and citrus are usually pretty cheap so you can afford to hazard a guess. ;)
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Cori[info]thinggtwoo on December 8th, 2004 04:13 am (UTC)
AMAZING amounts of information here - Great job, and thank you! Here's my question - do you use this formula on Tempest's hair? My Toddler's hair actually does look/get greasy after several days of not shampooing; but I'd love to use this with her, too, and my husband! Does Curtis use it?
Babs[info]babyslime on December 8th, 2004 04:41 am (UTC)
Ah, but have you been shampooing your toddler's hair? ;) That's the kicker. If you HAVEN'T, ever, you'll probably notice that it doesn't get greasy - that's what the line reads.

Curtis uses it, yes. He has oily hair, and I have dry.
Tempest doesn't use it. I've never had to shampoo or really wash her hair... Warm water usually does the trick. If there's something icky in it that I need to wash out, I use a tich of baking soda, and on occassion a burt's bees bar.
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Glub glub glub[info]breakableheart on December 8th, 2004 06:04 am (UTC)
This is very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to research all of this and write it out. Certainly food for thought!
[info]onionsmakemecry on December 9th, 2004 01:00 am (UTC)
oops!
I meant to leave my "wow!" comment here :)
skittish: me with Autumn on shoulders[info]the_waker on December 9th, 2004 02:52 am (UTC)
Oh thank you! I'm definitly trying this after the holidays, I'd rather not be oily haired the one time of the year I see certain relatives ;)

Added to memories :D
Velocity girl[info]i_got_it on December 10th, 2004 05:11 am (UTC)
thanks so much... this has a lot of information and is extremely helpful.

i only have one concern though, i have *very* soft hair, and it's very stretchy and is also between being wavy and curly. i'm worried about trying the treatment because my hair is so soft. any advice?
Babs[info]babyslime on December 10th, 2004 05:20 am (UTC)
I don't see why it would be a problem! If you have wavy/curly hair, be aware that you can loose some length because without shampoo/conditioner weighing it down your curls /waves will become tighter.
Salisya Snow[info]salisya on December 11th, 2004 01:01 pm (UTC)
Wanna ship me some baking soda???

It is not sold the same whay here. It is a tiny tiny package for more than it is worth here. :(

I'm gonna try it anyway, but this sucks!!!
Babs[info]babyslime on December 11th, 2004 07:50 pm (UTC)
You can't buy it in bulk?!?!?!
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kristen[info]kris1225 on December 14th, 2004 05:45 pm (UTC)
how often?
how often should you wash with baking soda (especially in the beginning)? GREAT INFO!!
Babs: granola[info]babyslime on December 14th, 2004 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: how often?
Thanks!!
2x a week is probably fine, from then on go with what your hair needs, it's different for everyone.
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Lucifera Shadow[info]lucifera_shadow on December 15th, 2004 03:23 am (UTC)
Will this work for chemically-treated hair? My hair is both permed and coloured.
Babs: granola[info]babyslime on December 15th, 2004 03:31 am (UTC)
I don't know much about permed hair - and coloured hair FAQ is in there... I can't imagine that occassional use would undo your perm, though.
(Anonymous) on December 17th, 2004 06:41 am (UTC)
? about the mixtures
Babs- when you say to use one TBS of baking soda to one cup of water, is that per washing, or just the ratio for the solution? Same ? for the apple cider vinegar. Thanks.
Babs[info]babyslime on December 17th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)
Re: ? about the mixtures
For both it's just the ratio of the solution. I find that a cup of the ACV mix lasts me a long time, and a cup of the baking soda mix not quite as long (I think I just use more each time). Although in a month I've only had to refill my little bottles once.
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Sarah[info]empress544 on December 27th, 2004 03:24 am (UTC)
hi, i'm from [info]naturalliving....

this sounds like something i'd like to try, especially since my hair seems to be getting weaker, and i have split ends and it breaks easily.

i have long hair, but i'm trying to grow it longer, for the herbs that you mentioned do you have any experience with them, and if not where did you get the information?
Babs[info]babyslime on December 27th, 2004 03:52 am (UTC)
Hi there,
I have minimal experience with the herbs thus far. I got my information from the websites I linked to, from MDC forums (where there are threads of HUNDREDS of women who are doing it, teaching it to others, trying things, some are herbalists, etc...) and a few other natural forums.

My hair is very short right now, but I know quite a few people personally who are succeeding at it with long hair, and even super, super curly hair.
Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May[info]plunkybug on January 18th, 2005 01:57 am (UTC)
Also from naturalliving...
I have been using a few sls free shampoos/conditioners (Jason Hemp, Avalon Organics Clarifying, and KMF Organics Daily/Lightweight) for a while in rotation, depending on what I want when I wash. I have also used Burt's Bees Avocado Hair Treatment and Feelin' Flaky shampoo in the past. I also use Herbavita hair dye. I choose no henna as I don't want to go red; I want to stay a little closer to my natural color (medium ash blonde, and I darken to natural dark blonde). I am a little confused at what happens with dyed hair. I am in FL and it looks like we are in one of the 2 middle feilds for hardness. My hair is little longer than shoulder lentgh (though I may be cutting it shorter this weekend), somewhat dry and frizzy by nature, and wavy curly nearer to the ends. So, what would be best for me, to stay with what I am using, or to try this? Sorry for the ramblings.
Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May[info]plunkybug on January 18th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
Re: Also from naturalliving...
sorry for my typos
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Crissy[info]idiolecto on January 20th, 2005 07:01 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I made up some bottles of shampoo and conditioner using your recipes for my husband for Christmas and it was his favorite present. He's been using it ever since with very good results. Maybe I too will switch over soon!
välətl[info]tree on January 21st, 2005 09:36 am (UTC)
i found this link from [info]naturalliving and just wanted to say thankyou for the great information. baking soda and vinegar are almost the only two things you would ever need to live chemically free :)
Babs: granola[info]babyslime on January 21st, 2005 09:48 am (UTC)
You're welcome!
Mira[info]miraclaire on January 25th, 2005 07:46 pm (UTC)
i found this from [info]longhair. This is great!! Thanks!!
Manawolf: Sarah[info]manawolf on January 27th, 2005 06:27 am (UTC)
Yet another from the longhair community....

Will baking powder (double action) function equivalently to baking soda? (It's what's in my cabinet, and I'm close to flat broke right now so I'd rather use what I have if possible.)

:P
Babs[info]babyslime on January 27th, 2005 06:29 am (UTC)
No, sorry. :(
Many grocery stores will sell baking soda in bulk bins for very cheap. Try looking around at a supermarket for some, and then just get a scoop. It'll last you a long time. :)
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Twilight Speaks ("An extremely rare biscuit...")[info]twilightspeaks on February 4th, 2005 05:14 pm (UTC)
Sorry to bug...
I have fairly difficult hair (kinky-curls, long, uber-thick), and am dependent on about a dozen different products to keep it in check. You said that this works for super long, super curly hair as well, but I can't even manage the first step for long hair ("Comb your hair from scalp to tips before you go into the shower to loosen dirt and detangle") without risk of breaking the comb and frizzing out my hair more than it already is. I'm not sure where to even start. o.O
Babs[info]babyslime on February 4th, 2005 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry to bug...
My hair used to be down to my butt before I cut it all off. ;) The best way to brush is actually from bottom up. Do the last inch or so, then gradually work your way up until you can comb all the way through from scalp down. Use a very wide-toothed brush if you have long and or kinky hair (or both). But don't whip all your hair to one side, or over your shoulder, that will cause split-ends and damage. If you can't manage it without doing this, ask someone to help you out.
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dimelo[info]dimelo on February 9th, 2005 12:44 am (UTC)
This is an excellent post; thank you for sharing so much information. I'll definitely be trying this.

One observation: I think you're missing the phrase "baking soda" here.

How do I go shampoo free?
Use one tablespoon per one cup of warm or hot water.


When I read it I got confused... thought for a minute you meant one tablespoon of shampoo per cup of water, as if I were to gradually wean myself off the stuff by diluting it!
Babs: granola[info]babyslime on February 9th, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
OOPS! Thank you so much for ponting that out. I'll change it right away. ;)
Lindsay[info]the_leh on February 28th, 2005 08:46 am (UTC)
This is an awesome post! I might try this.

Btw, there are shampoos and conditioners that don't strip the natrual oils from your hair (at least, not as far as I can tell) and do not contain mineral oil, SLS or SLFS. The ones I use are by Avalon Organics (you can get them at Whole Foods here in the states) and they contain 100% vegetarian ingredients and all herbs are organically grown. But they don't save the pocketbook like vinigar and baking soda would :D
Babs[info]babyslime on February 28th, 2005 10:39 am (UTC)
I am aware of those ones, but haven't tried them myself. :) I'm pretty happy with this method!
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Trillian[info]trillian42 on March 3rd, 2005 06:17 pm (UTC)
Hi! I can't remember how I found this post originally, but I memoried it and am planning on trying the no-poo after an upcoming trip. I had a couple questions --

Can you go straight from shampooing regularly to this, or is it better to give your hair a few days to "recover" from shampooing before trying this?

Can you add any kind of scent oils to the ACV rinse to make it smell less nasty? I hate the smell of that stuff, but I don't want to mess up the balance.

What do you do if your hair picks up smells easily? Like, if I go to the shore, I smell like salt water for a couple days, even if I haven't been in the water, or if I go to a club or bar I REEK of cigg smoke. Does this get that kind of thing out well?

Thank you!
Babs[info]babyslime on March 3rd, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Thanks for dropping by.

I've found the transition is better if you give your hair a few days to detox from the shampoo before diving in. DON'T overdo the BS/ACV if your hair is greasy, because too much BS can make your hair very dry.
You can add oils to the ACV, but remember it's heavily diluted already and you will not have a smell on your hair - it rinses clean. :) But I know what you mean, I can't STAND the smell of vinegar!
Some people infuse the rinse with tea, herbs or essential oils and find that works well for them. :)

And yes, this will get smells out easily. But remember that about 90% of dirt and smells will wash out with just warm water and a finger scrub. It's a good idea that if you take a daily shower, to do a warm water massage daily just to get rid of anything from day-to-day living and then do your BS/ACV set whenever your hair really needs it.
For me, I needed it around once a week, until recently (it's coming into summer) and now I've had to change it to 2x a week and add a tich more baking soda to my mix. As your hair changes, so will your routine, so be flexible. :)
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Pips[info]thesqueak on April 4th, 2005 12:41 am (UTC)
Great explanation! I'm considering going shampoo-free now. (Found this post through [info]weddingplans.)
One question for you, though - you said you're sensitive to some ingredients in henna. What ingredients are you sensitive to? I've only used pure henna and water, and have had no problems whatsoever, and from what I understand, henna is a very rare allergy (and the only way to know you have it is if you start having tightness in your chest - it doesn't cause any surface irritation.) Did you use pre-mixed henna, maybe? The right way to buy it is in powdered leaf form, otherwise who knows what's in it - I've had reactions to pre-mixed stuff, but never to the henna itself.
But, anyways, thanks for posting this!
Babs[info]babyslime on April 4th, 2005 03:21 am (UTC)
It's been a long, long time since I tried to use it and honestly I couldn't tell you what "type" I bought. Although I'm not sure if that's true, that you can only react a certain way. As someone with many, many, many (MANY) allergies, I know that there are a variety of different reactions you can have. Some mental, some physical.
At the time of the usage, I was still suffering with life-threatening reactions to plant matter and did not think dead matter would affect me. However, my flora allergies have since lessoned once I had a baby and I haven't tried again. :)

You found it through wedding plans? Really? Wow, this really is getting around!
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[info]betty_gurl_boop on April 5th, 2005 05:08 pm (UTC)
I have REALLY long frizzy, curly hair right now. If I dont put products in my hair it frizzes out madly!

Plus, I always have to use conditioner...lots of it...or I use silk therapy leave in conditioner...it feels like oil that I put in my hair.

Anyways, my question is will this work for me?

I usually wash my hair everyday.
I tried going everyother day without washing my hair, but when I get my hair wet it dries out, but when I have gel in my hair and I dont use shampoo, It doesnt dry out (but I think this is just because I dont get all the gel out or something)

So, how would I use this so that it works well with my hair?

Will it condition my hair also, or would I need to buy something else for that?

Will it make my hair so that I dont need styling products to control the frizz?

How often do I wash with this? I read that you need to start slowly with this if you usually wash your hair everyday...what steps would you recommend? Shampoo, skip a day, your mix, skip a day, shampoo etc...?

Sorry for all the questions, this is just really interesting to me and I would love to use it.
Babs: granola[info]babyslime on April 5th, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC)
I know someone with long frizzy hair who likes this method. She doesn't need styling products to control her frizz when she uses this :) The method seemed to be founded by a large group of african-american women to control their "nappy" hair, so I have no doubt it would work for you. You just have to find your niche.

The ACV mixture conditions, it's all explained in the essay.

The reason your conditioner feels like oil is because it is oil. :-P It'll end up making your hair frizzier.
Be prepared to put it in a braid and tuck it away if you have trouble with detox, but it won't last long, so don't worry. :) You will not need to do this every day. Detox for a few days, then do a wash. Remember greasy hair is not dirty hair, so don't wash it again just because it feels greasy, this is a normal part of detox and getting all the nasty stuff gone.
Try every three days at first. Adjust your solution if you feel you need it
(IE. if your baking soda solution is not giving you the 'squicky' feel when you're scrubbing it in, try adding a tich more. But do not go overboard. "frizzy" hair will not react well to too much baking soda in the solution.)

You can double or triple to cover all your hair, but it's the dilution you're not supposed to adjust too much.
Don't go back and forth from shampoo to this mixture. It won't work at all. Shampoo slathers your hair in crap and will make it impossible to return to it's natural state. It's all or nothing.

Hope this helps.
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